It is kinda funny watching older shows before Edison's reputation was tarnished into widely being seen as a hack businessman, and having him depicted as this typical brilliant inspirational figure. I think I remember even Jimmy Neutron had an episode where Jimmy considered Edison to be his idol so brought him back from the past.
Does Edison ever have a shot of his reputation being repaired. I personally think that both the people who villify him and the people who used to paint him as a saint are both wrong.
I mean the fact of the matter is, he wasn't really this brilliant idealised inventor, he was a businessman at the end of the day. He had a bunch of companies where he employed people who'd help him develop this random spit-ball invention ideas to patent. He's definitely been vilified a lot and probably more than he really deserves, but I can't see him coming back into the positive light he used to have. He can just be acknowledged as someone whose enterprises led to a lot of inventions coming out to the public and being commercialised. So, you can certainly admire him for his enterprising nature.
Depends really on what the edutainment cartoons do, matter of fact is he did made the lightbulb and other inventions, did he made them in all alone in his workshop like a mad scientist? no he managed a team of other people who worked for him, but he still crated all those products.
Is kind of a double standard really, like movie directors are often given all the praise or blame for what is on its very core a collaborative effort between many people. Edison is no different but that fantasy of the lone genius making stuff got shattered which makes people upset.
Then you have to take into account the people that might have an agenda when writing history but that is a rabbit hole I don't want to get into.
Do you seriously not understand the arguments against Edison? It's not >he was part of a team
it's >he was a hardcore businessman who screwed over a lot of people while slapping his name on everything, leading to modern America treating him like some kind of engineering god when he really wasn't
I guess in general people can't deal with how often the actual engineers, hard workers, other STEM types, geniuses, etc. wins up with relatively jack shit in terms of recognition and I'm not talking about Edison. How often is it either the rich CEO who didn't actually do anything but be born rich and put his name on it or much better at least someone who just tweaked an already existing product.
But was anyone moronic enough to believe that myth to begin with? SOME people known for an innovation came up with it be I never assume that. I assume at "worst" they're just a wealthy patron or boss who knew frick all about it at best usually a collaborator or the team or built off of preexisting work. Anything else is often a fairy tale.
Being a businessman who can successfully lead a team of people to create new inventions is far more impressive than some autist who invented something alone in his basement. The only people who hate this kind of thing are communists because they can’t stand the idea of individuals organizing and running a successful business on their own and profiting from it. And we have a lot of commies embedded in western society today. That’s the reason why every great business leader from the past has been getting vilified so much lately.
That's a highly subjective call. Depending on what it is, many people find the engineering feat more impressive and the "business" interchangeable with any other business lucky enough to get the impressive product being able to succeed given enough capital backing and/or basic competency.
Failing engineering majors often drop down to being business majors and business success has a lot to do with family and connections.
It's worth pointing out Edison was a little of both - he did the solo inventor thing and then leveraged his success to build a company that could then fund other inventors. If you strip him of any credit for all of the inventions he funded, and even if you strip him of credit for all the inventions he legitimately developed on his own, he still pioneered the system of research patronage that drove 90% of the technological development of the 20th century - Bell Labs, Lockheed, GERL, etc. all based their approach on Edison's company. Hire the best and brightest and give them the resources they need to develop their inventions in exchange for company patent rights.
The same steampunk wanking Tesla fanboys who trashed Edison’s legacy also think their pigeon-fricking messiah built free energy devices and death rays.
Twitter is more entertaining than ever, IMO. It's the one other site on the internet that even comes close to reminding me of Cinemaphile. Of course, this also explains why certain chunks of the userbase are fleeing it in droves and it cannot turn a profit.
Twitter is better than ever. Hell Elon releasing evidence that the FBI, DOJ, and CIA were all weaponizing social media and revoking people's 1st amendment rights was well worth his purchase.
I mean, he was never consistent with whatever he was promising to do, so i can't blame people for never sticking with him
First it was clean energy cars, then urban traffic planning, then space travel, then crypto hype, and now speech free social media which he apparently already gave up on.
anon, there is no grand scheme or plan or anything. if you opened his head with a can opener, all you'd find inside would be 'people should pay more attention to me' and 'everyone should laugh at my memes on my social media website' and 'i should be on tv more often'. that's it
>public has a vaguely positive opinion of a person because they say the right things >that person proceeds to go full moron >public doesn't like that person anymore
wowwwww how could this happen
The issue seems to be they bought into it in the first place since everything wrong with Apartheid Alan was as apparent when he was a Reddit meme and now they're just taking that wasted dick sucking energy and pushing it into whining.
>and now they all hate him like he's their ex bf or something
That's probably the best analogy for it. They had a bad breakup over some spat and now the only thing they remember from all their years together is that he was a shithead and all the happy moments never happened.
>be businessman whose company advances commercial spaceflight by decades >everyone loves you and thinks you're the greatest thing since sliced bread >be businessman whose company advances commercial spaceflight by decades, but also has some political opinions that run contrary to the establishment >everyone despises you. you are literally satan incarnate and club baby harp seals on weekends
One can acknowledge that a number of his business ventures have been poorly thought out or badly executed, and yet also that he is neither a moron nor Hitler. One can, but most won't, because it's easier to strip down everything to reductionist black and white newspeak thinking where someone on the telly or internet flips a switch and a person's entire life before that moment is rewritten and everyone just goes along with it.
>and yet also that he is neither a moron
You can literally watch his Twitter debacle in real time and see the man unfurl himself as a narcissistic, insecure jackoff who is desperately trying to be as cruel as possible to rake in Good Boy Points from the rightwingers that have decided paypigging for him is a political statement.
I think he's more moron than Hitler and really just an example of a mostly lucky businessman with good momentum
>and yet also that he is neither a moron
You can literally watch his Twitter debacle in real time and see the man unfurl himself as a narcissistic, insecure jackoff who is desperately trying to be as cruel as possible to rake in Good Boy Points from the rightwingers that have decided paypigging for him is a political statement.
>As cruel as possible
Where? All his issues with Twitter have been in trying to make money back with halfbaked ideas that backfire sooner rather than later.
It’s the same reason why grade school teachers give Einstein credit for the entirety of modern physics. Having to go into detail about the dozens of brilliant scientists of the time and each of their contributions to the whole is complicated and time consuming and they can’t be fricking bothered. Einstein was wicked smart, but it’s a pity that guys like 90% of the Solvay crew get completely ignored unless you go all the way through graduate school physics.
Daily reminder that DC ultimately won the War of Currents. AC might still be preferable for transmission, but DC became the standard for almost literally everything else.
If they did this episode today, it would just be 22 minutes of Lisa complaining about Thomas Edison after reading his Wikipedia article.
It is kinda funny watching older shows before Edison's reputation was tarnished into widely being seen as a hack businessman, and having him depicted as this typical brilliant inspirational figure. I think I remember even Jimmy Neutron had an episode where Jimmy considered Edison to be his idol so brought him back from the past.
Does Edison ever have a shot of his reputation being repaired. I personally think that both the people who villify him and the people who used to paint him as a saint are both wrong.
I mean the fact of the matter is, he wasn't really this brilliant idealised inventor, he was a businessman at the end of the day. He had a bunch of companies where he employed people who'd help him develop this random spit-ball invention ideas to patent. He's definitely been vilified a lot and probably more than he really deserves, but I can't see him coming back into the positive light he used to have. He can just be acknowledged as someone whose enterprises led to a lot of inventions coming out to the public and being commercialised. So, you can certainly admire him for his enterprising nature.
Depends really on what the edutainment cartoons do, matter of fact is he did made the lightbulb and other inventions, did he made them in all alone in his workshop like a mad scientist? no he managed a team of other people who worked for him, but he still crated all those products.
Is kind of a double standard really, like movie directors are often given all the praise or blame for what is on its very core a collaborative effort between many people. Edison is no different but that fantasy of the lone genius making stuff got shattered which makes people upset.
Then you have to take into account the people that might have an agenda when writing history but that is a rabbit hole I don't want to get into.
>but he still crated all those products.
that was done by "a team of other people "
Movies and inventions are differnt numbnuts
Movies are VERY different. What do you think directors do, catering?
Do you seriously not understand the arguments against Edison? It's not
>he was part of a team
it's
>he was a hardcore businessman who screwed over a lot of people while slapping his name on everything, leading to modern America treating him like some kind of engineering god when he really wasn't
I guess in general people can't deal with how often the actual engineers, hard workers, other STEM types, geniuses, etc. wins up with relatively jack shit in terms of recognition and I'm not talking about Edison. How often is it either the rich CEO who didn't actually do anything but be born rich and put his name on it or much better at least someone who just tweaked an already existing product.
But was anyone moronic enough to believe that myth to begin with? SOME people known for an innovation came up with it be I never assume that. I assume at "worst" they're just a wealthy patron or boss who knew frick all about it at best usually a collaborator or the team or built off of preexisting work. Anything else is often a fairy tale.
Being a businessman who can successfully lead a team of people to create new inventions is far more impressive than some autist who invented something alone in his basement. The only people who hate this kind of thing are communists because they can’t stand the idea of individuals organizing and running a successful business on their own and profiting from it. And we have a lot of commies embedded in western society today. That’s the reason why every great business leader from the past has been getting vilified so much lately.
That's a highly subjective call. Depending on what it is, many people find the engineering feat more impressive and the "business" interchangeable with any other business lucky enough to get the impressive product being able to succeed given enough capital backing and/or basic competency.
Failing engineering majors often drop down to being business majors and business success has a lot to do with family and connections.
no, that's incorrect. you are mistaken
It's worth pointing out Edison was a little of both - he did the solo inventor thing and then leveraged his success to build a company that could then fund other inventors. If you strip him of any credit for all of the inventions he funded, and even if you strip him of credit for all the inventions he legitimately developed on his own, he still pioneered the system of research patronage that drove 90% of the technological development of the 20th century - Bell Labs, Lockheed, GERL, etc. all based their approach on Edison's company. Hire the best and brightest and give them the resources they need to develop their inventions in exchange for company patent rights.
>no he managed a team of other people who worked for him, but he still crated all those products.
how is that different from Einstein? I always assumed EInstein had a whole team backing him up.
Like Edison, Einstein did a lot of brilliant solo work, but also greatly benefitted from collaboration with others.
Jimmy Neutron's Edison was still an butthole even if they didn't say he was a fraud
The same steampunk wanking Tesla fanboys who trashed Edison’s legacy also think their pigeon-fricking messiah built free energy devices and death rays.
It's not like we had a episode about Lisa sucking up for a rich business man larping as a inventor 8 years ago
Is Elon even still advertising that he will "solve urban transport" or he got bored of it after the tunnel bullshit?
He's still trying to convince people that he didn't completely frick up Twitter
>didn't completely frick up
Twitter is more entertaining than ever, IMO. It's the one other site on the internet that even comes close to reminding me of Cinemaphile. Of course, this also explains why certain chunks of the userbase are fleeing it in droves and it cannot turn a profit.
Twitter is better than ever. Hell Elon releasing evidence that the FBI, DOJ, and CIA were all weaponizing social media and revoking people's 1st amendment rights was well worth his purchase.
it's weird watching all the liberals and leftists riding this guys dick 8 years ago and now they all hate him like he's their ex bf or something
I mean, he was never consistent with whatever he was promising to do, so i can't blame people for never sticking with him
First it was clean energy cars, then urban traffic planning, then space travel, then crypto hype, and now speech free social media which he apparently already gave up on.
anon, there is no grand scheme or plan or anything. if you opened his head with a can opener, all you'd find inside would be 'people should pay more attention to me' and 'everyone should laugh at my memes on my social media website' and 'i should be on tv more often'. that's it
Can you imagine having the kind of brain disease that makes you pay billions to be Twitter's head mod. Its the super saiyan form of doing it for free.
>public has a vaguely positive opinion of a person because they say the right things
>that person proceeds to go full moron
>public doesn't like that person anymore
wowwwww how could this happen
this is all a conspiracy by people i don't like (have folders full of memes about them)
Almost like certain people don’t follow a cult of personality and will give up on someone when they turn out to be a petty piece of garbage.
The issue seems to be they bought into it in the first place since everything wrong with Apartheid Alan was as apparent when he was a Reddit meme and now they're just taking that wasted dick sucking energy and pushing it into whining.
>and now they all hate him like he's their ex bf or something
That's probably the best analogy for it. They had a bad breakup over some spat and now the only thing they remember from all their years together is that he was a shithead and all the happy moments never happened.
Edison was like Disney he started as an investio but as the business grew he became a businessman who had other people inventor for him.
>be businessman whose company advances commercial spaceflight by decades
>everyone loves you and thinks you're the greatest thing since sliced bread
>be businessman whose company advances commercial spaceflight by decades, but also has some political opinions that run contrary to the establishment
>everyone despises you. you are literally satan incarnate and club baby harp seals on weekends
One can acknowledge that a number of his business ventures have been poorly thought out or badly executed, and yet also that he is neither a moron nor Hitler. One can, but most won't, because it's easier to strip down everything to reductionist black and white newspeak thinking where someone on the telly or internet flips a switch and a person's entire life before that moment is rewritten and everyone just goes along with it.
>and yet also that he is neither a moron
You can literally watch his Twitter debacle in real time and see the man unfurl himself as a narcissistic, insecure jackoff who is desperately trying to be as cruel as possible to rake in Good Boy Points from the rightwingers that have decided paypigging for him is a political statement.
I think he's more moron than Hitler and really just an example of a mostly lucky businessman with good momentum
>As cruel as possible
Where? All his issues with Twitter have been in trying to make money back with halfbaked ideas that backfire sooner rather than later.
I mean its KINDA true especially in his later years, but common denominator has, as always, taken away all nuance
Well, at least they had Sir Isaac Newton on the show as well.
who?
I think he’s the guy who played Colonel Klink.
the joke is, Homer wrote multiple letters to a fictional Nazi
All of you posters are american? because I'm from Europe and we still respect Edison.
respect him for what?
Most people just want to be able to say X invented Y. Making it more complicated than that just makes them confused and angry.
It’s the same reason why grade school teachers give Einstein credit for the entirety of modern physics. Having to go into detail about the dozens of brilliant scientists of the time and each of their contributions to the whole is complicated and time consuming and they can’t be fricking bothered. Einstein was wicked smart, but it’s a pity that guys like 90% of the Solvay crew get completely ignored unless you go all the way through graduate school physics.
Daily reminder that DC ultimately won the War of Currents. AC might still be preferable for transmission, but DC became the standard for almost literally everything else.
>thread goes from some simple ass joke to a fricking full blown non-simpsons / non co argument
People shut up and go back to hating Simpsons